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[John Larkin]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 11:52:06 +0100, Max Demian
<max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:33:22 +0100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
Safeway is for bulk shopping, milk and paper towels. Their rotesserie
chickens are OK and make great broth.

For you, perhaps.  Millions of people use it for all their groceries.

We like farmers\' markets for good stuff. And the Farm Box weekly
delivery.

Safeway tends to have good stuff for a while and then replace it with
a house brand. Try to find World\'s Best Mac and Cheese, which Safeway
used to have.

Unlikely.  I don\'t like mac and cheese.  Never have.

I never twigged what that was.  Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

Frozen is easy, and some brands are excellent.

https://beechershandmadecheese.com/products/worlds-best-mac-and-cheese

We say mac and cheese

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:01:11 PM UTC+10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 27/05/2023 11:48, Max Demian wrote:
On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 16:31:48 +0100, Ed P <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 4/23/2023 10:22 AM, John Larkin wrote:

<snip>

We can detect acids, though. I\'m not sure whether we can distinguish
them from alkalis, though. I\'ll have to try licking some caustic soda.

Of course we can detect both, just don\'t do it with any strong ones. I can certainly detect and distinguish between citric, oxalic, acetic, hydrochloric , tartaric and formic acid.

Or you claim you can. You might have trouble separating analytical grade reagents. Mostly what people detect are the usual volatile impurities.

> The inorganic acids apart from weak hydrochloric are too dangerous to taste , but who of us hasn\'t licked a stinging hand and got a taste of battery (sulphuric) acid?

Mouth sensation might be closer to the mark.

> Same with alkalis - one can smell the chlorine in bleach and smell.caustic soda. Enough not to taste it anyway.

Chlorine attacks the sensors in the nose. You aren\'t smelling anything that makes it alkaline.

Pure sodium hydroxide dissolved in water doesn\'t have any vapour phase component at all.

One has to wonder what you are smelling above the crap you get sold as caustic soda.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 27/05/2023 12:18, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 27 May 2023 11:52:06 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:33:22 +0100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
Safeway is for bulk shopping, milk and paper towels. Their rotesserie
chickens are OK and make great broth.

For you, perhaps.  Millions of people use it for all their groceries.

We like farmers\' markets for good stuff. And the Farm Box weekly
delivery.

Safeway tends to have good stuff for a while and then replace it with
a house brand. Try to find World\'s Best Mac and Cheese, which Safeway
used to have.

Unlikely.  I don\'t like mac and cheese.  Never have.

I never twigged what that was.  Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

Frozen is easy, and some brands are excellent.

https://beechershandmadecheese.com/products/worlds-best-mac-and-cheese

We say mac and cheese

I\'ve never said that in my life. Always \'spaghetti cheese\' or \'macaroni
cheese\'
A staple food post war with rationing, when dairy and eggs and pasta
made of low grade wheat were UK produced products that you could
actually buy. Cheaply.

Along with fish.

--
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
kind word alone.

Al Capone

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:20:06 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 27 May 2023 11:52:06 +0100, Max Demian <max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:33:22 +0100, Cindy Hamilton <hami...@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hami...@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

<snip>

Safeway tends to have good stuff for a while and then replace it with
a house brand. Try to find World\'s Best Mac and Cheese, which Safeway
used to have.

Unlikely. I don\'t like mac and cheese. Never have.

I never twigged what that was. Over here we call it \"macaroni and cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.
Frozen is easy, and some brands are excellent.

https://beechershandmadecheese.com/products/worlds-best-mac-and-cheese

We say mac and cheese.

Macaroni cheese is macaroni pasta served with a bechamel (white sauce) into which grated cheese has been blended.

https://www.taste.com.au/recipes/bechamel-sauce-2/c1dc6d93-bfdf-49ee-ab30-4a131f5fce7cbech

Which cheese makes a difference - English cooking tends to use the standard UK hard cheese - cheddar - but there are lots of difference kinds of cheddar.
Italians tend to go for Parmesan.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-05-27, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 16:31:48 +0100, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 4/23/2023 10:22 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Not me. I don\'t like heavy, acidic flavors. I am biased towards sweet,
creamy, smooth. Mo is Italian and makes heavy red sauces that she
simmers down for hours. My fix is to dilute them about 3:1 with heavy
cream and add cheeses and garlic and tweak the spices, a light orange
color when it\'s edible.

My wife used to make a good sauce but it never seemed overly acidic.

Do our mouths have litmus paper?

No, because we\'d need eyes in our mouths to see the colour change.

We can detect acids, though. I\'m not sure whether we can distinguish
them from alkalis, though. I\'ll have to try licking some caustic soda.

Acids are sour. Bases are bitter.

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-05-27, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:33:22 +0100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
Safeway is for bulk shopping, milk and paper towels. Their rotesserie
chickens are OK and make great broth.

For you, perhaps.  Millions of people use it for all their groceries.

We like farmers\' markets for good stuff. And the Farm Box weekly
delivery.

Safeway tends to have good stuff for a while and then replace it with
a house brand. Try to find World\'s Best Mac and Cheese, which Safeway
used to have.

Unlikely.  I don\'t like mac and cheese.  Never have.

I never twigged what that was.  Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

The kit comes with powdered \"cheese\". Actually a mixture of dried,
powdered cheese with other ultra-processed ingredients to make a
smooth sauce.

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 11:48:56 +0100, Max Dumbian, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:


> No, because we\'d need eyes in our mouths to see the colour change.

LOL!!! It\'s INVARIABLY as I keep saying: after a short while ALL you
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLES keep sounding as retarded as the retarded
troll you keep feeding!

--
Max Dumb having another senile moment:
\"It\'s the consistency of the shit that counts. Sometimes I don\'t need to
wipe, but I have to do so to tell. Also humans have buttocks to get
smeared due to our bipedalism.\"
MID: <6vydnWiYDoV1VUrDnZ2dnUU78QednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>

And yet another senile moment:
\"A fawn bowl will show piss a lot less than a white one.\"
MID: <tv1of3$1v4qg$1@dont-email.me>

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 11:52:06 +0100, Max Dumbian, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:

I never twigged what that was.  Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

I just call you two sick idiots what you are: a troll and a troll-feeding
senile asshole!

--
Max Dumb having another senile moment:
\"It\'s the consistency of the shit that counts. Sometimes I don\'t need to
wipe, but I have to do so to tell. Also humans have buttocks to get
smeared due to our bipedalism.\"
MID: <6vydnWiYDoV1VUrDnZ2dnUU78QednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>

And yet another senile moment:
\"A fawn bowl will show piss a lot less than a white one.\"
MID: <tv1of3$1v4qg$1@dont-email.me>

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 27/05/2023 14:33, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On 2023-05-27, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:33:22 +0100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
Safeway is for bulk shopping, milk and paper towels. Their rotesserie
chickens are OK and make great broth.

For you, perhaps.  Millions of people use it for all their groceries.

We like farmers\' markets for good stuff. And the Farm Box weekly
delivery.

Safeway tends to have good stuff for a while and then replace it with
a house brand. Try to find World\'s Best Mac and Cheese, which Safeway
used to have.

Unlikely.  I don\'t like mac and cheese.  Never have.

I never twigged what that was.  Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

The kit comes with powdered \"cheese\". Actually a mixture of dried,
powdered cheese with other ultra-processed ingredients to make a
smooth sauce.

How typically \'American\'
--
\"What do you think about Gay Marriage?\"
\"I don\'t.\"
\"Don\'t what?\"
\"Think about Gay Marriage.\"

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 12:34:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 12:18, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 11:52:06 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:33:22 +0100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
Safeway is for bulk shopping, milk and paper towels. Their rotesserie
chickens are OK and make great broth.

For you, perhaps.  Millions of people use it for all their groceries.

We like farmers\' markets for good stuff. And the Farm Box weekly
delivery.

Safeway tends to have good stuff for a while and then replace it with
a house brand. Try to find World\'s Best Mac and Cheese, which Safeway
used to have.

Unlikely.  I don\'t like mac and cheese.  Never have.

I never twigged what that was.  Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

Frozen is easy, and some brands are excellent.

https://beechershandmadecheese.com/products/worlds-best-mac-and-cheese

We say mac and cheese

I\'ve never said that in my life.

Well, people talk funny in remote uncivilized islands.

Always \'spaghetti cheese\' or \'macaroni
cheese\'
A staple food post war with rationing, when dairy and eggs and pasta
made of low grade wheat were UK produced products that you could
actually buy. Cheaply.

We never had food rationing.

Are you in England? I wonder why England can\'t grow enough food to
feed itself. The population density isn\'t extreme.

Along with fish.

What sort of fish do you get?

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 13:31:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-27, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 16:31:48 +0100, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 4/23/2023 10:22 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Not me. I don\'t like heavy, acidic flavors. I am biased towards sweet,
creamy, smooth. Mo is Italian and makes heavy red sauces that she
simmers down for hours. My fix is to dilute them about 3:1 with heavy
cream and add cheeses and garlic and tweak the spices, a light orange
color when it\'s edible.

My wife used to make a good sauce but it never seemed overly acidic.

Do our mouths have litmus paper?

No, because we\'d need eyes in our mouths to see the colour change.

We can detect acids, though. I\'m not sure whether we can distinguish
them from alkalis, though. I\'ll have to try licking some caustic soda.

Acids are sour. Bases are bitter.

The thing that separates sentient human civilization from primitive
forms of life is the presence of tater tots.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 13:33:20 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-27, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:33:22 +0100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
Safeway is for bulk shopping, milk and paper towels. Their rotesserie
chickens are OK and make great broth.

For you, perhaps.  Millions of people use it for all their groceries.

We like farmers\' markets for good stuff. And the Farm Box weekly
delivery.

Safeway tends to have good stuff for a while and then replace it with
a house brand. Try to find World\'s Best Mac and Cheese, which Safeway
used to have.

Unlikely.  I don\'t like mac and cheese.  Never have.

I never twigged what that was.  Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

The kit comes with powdered \"cheese\". Actually a mixture of dried,
powdered cheese with other ultra-processed ingredients to make a
smooth sauce.

Annie\'s is better than starvation. Kraft is not.

Annie\'s also makes a decent basalmic salad dressing, for when you
don\'t feel like making it yourself. I add maple syrup and garlic
powder.

Annie\'s is, in my opinion, the best ketchup too.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 16:09:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 14:33, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-05-27, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:33:22 +0100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
Safeway is for bulk shopping, milk and paper towels. Their rotesserie
chickens are OK and make great broth.

For you, perhaps.  Millions of people use it for all their groceries.

We like farmers\' markets for good stuff. And the Farm Box weekly
delivery.

Safeway tends to have good stuff for a while and then replace it with
a house brand. Try to find World\'s Best Mac and Cheese, which Safeway
used to have.

Unlikely.  I don\'t like mac and cheese.  Never have.

I never twigged what that was.  Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

The kit comes with powdered \"cheese\". Actually a mixture of dried,
powdered cheese with other ultra-processed ingredients to make a
smooth sauce.

How typically \'American\'

Not typically, it\'s just that we have a lot of options. Kids like this
sort of thing.

We can get mac and cheese at a good restaurant for $30 too.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 27/05/2023 16:22, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 27 May 2023 16:09:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 14:33, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-05-27, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:33:22 +0100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
Safeway is for bulk shopping, milk and paper towels. Their rotesserie
chickens are OK and make great broth.

For you, perhaps.  Millions of people use it for all their groceries.

We like farmers\' markets for good stuff. And the Farm Box weekly
delivery.

Safeway tends to have good stuff for a while and then replace it with
a house brand. Try to find World\'s Best Mac and Cheese, which Safeway
used to have.

Unlikely.  I don\'t like mac and cheese.  Never have.

I never twigged what that was.  Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

The kit comes with powdered \"cheese\". Actually a mixture of dried,
powdered cheese with other ultra-processed ingredients to make a
smooth sauce.

How typically \'American\'

Not typically, it\'s just that we have a lot of options. Kids like this
sort of thing.

No, I mean having it in \'kit\' form.
I can buy ready to microwave macaroni cheese which isn\'t bad, but a kit?

We can get mac and cheese at a good restaurant for $30 too.

Jesus H. I can cook the best there is for about $10 for a family of four.

>

--
The higher up the mountainside
The greener grows the grass.
The higher up the monkey climbs
The more he shows his arse.

Traditional

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 27/05/2023 16:10, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 27 May 2023 12:34:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 12:18, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 11:52:06 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:33:22 +0100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
Safeway is for bulk shopping, milk and paper towels. Their rotesserie
chickens are OK and make great broth.

For you, perhaps.  Millions of people use it for all their groceries.

We like farmers\' markets for good stuff. And the Farm Box weekly
delivery.

Safeway tends to have good stuff for a while and then replace it with
a house brand. Try to find World\'s Best Mac and Cheese, which Safeway
used to have.

Unlikely.  I don\'t like mac and cheese.  Never have.

I never twigged what that was.  Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

Frozen is easy, and some brands are excellent.

https://beechershandmadecheese.com/products/worlds-best-mac-and-cheese

We say mac and cheese

I\'ve never said that in my life.

Well, people talk funny in remote uncivilized islands.


Always \'spaghetti cheese\' or \'macaroni
cheese\'
A staple food post war with rationing, when dairy and eggs and pasta
made of low grade wheat were UK produced products that you could
actually buy. Cheaply.

We never had food rationing.

Are you in England? I wonder why England can\'t grow enough food to
feed itself. The population density isn\'t extreme.

The population density of the bits suitable for agricultural activity is
extreme.
Nearly all of Scotland, half of Wales and a fair bit of England is
barely upland grazing suitable.

The efficiency of the actual farms is massive in terms of yield per
acre. But the government keeps importing cheap labour that doesn\'t want
to work, so the population is now completely out of control

During the war every scrap of land including grazing land for cattle and
sheep, was turned over to grow food, hence the meat shortage. Pigs could
be fed on scraps and chickens could eat insects, so they were in
reasonable supply.

Along with fish.

What sort of fish do you get?

In those days it was North Atlantic halibut, haddock, cod and herring,
also mackerel. That was when we had a national area to fish in before
the EU let any man and his dog fish them to extinction.
Coastal species like bream, sole, turbot and plaice were available, but
expensive.

We were importing sheep from Australia and New Zealand and Beef from
Argentina, fruit from South Africa, and bananas from the Caribbean.
Until we joined the EU of course. No longer allowed.

--
WOKE is an acronym... Without Originality, Knowledge or Education.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 27/05/2023 16:12, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 27 May 2023 13:31:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-27, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 16:31:48 +0100, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 4/23/2023 10:22 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Not me. I don\'t like heavy, acidic flavors. I am biased towards sweet,
creamy, smooth. Mo is Italian and makes heavy red sauces that she
simmers down for hours. My fix is to dilute them about 3:1 with heavy
cream and add cheeses and garlic and tweak the spices, a light orange
color when it\'s edible.

My wife used to make a good sauce but it never seemed overly acidic.

Do our mouths have litmus paper?

No, because we\'d need eyes in our mouths to see the colour change.

We can detect acids, though. I\'m not sure whether we can distinguish
them from alkalis, though. I\'ll have to try licking some caustic soda.

Acids are sour. Bases are bitter.

The thing that separates sentient human civilization from primitive
forms of life is the presence of tater tots.

I would have said they were rather an indication of it, like deep fried
Mars Bars.
PS, they are in fact \'croquettes\'


--
I would rather have questions that cannot be answered...
....than to have answers that cannot be questioned

Richard Feynman

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-05-27, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 27 May 2023 12:34:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 12:18, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 11:52:06 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:33:22 +0100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
Safeway is for bulk shopping, milk and paper towels. Their rotesserie
chickens are OK and make great broth.

For you, perhaps.  Millions of people use it for all their groceries.

We like farmers\' markets for good stuff. And the Farm Box weekly
delivery.

Safeway tends to have good stuff for a while and then replace it with
a house brand. Try to find World\'s Best Mac and Cheese, which Safeway
used to have.

Unlikely.  I don\'t like mac and cheese.  Never have.

I never twigged what that was.  Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

Frozen is easy, and some brands are excellent.

https://beechershandmadecheese.com/products/worlds-best-mac-and-cheese

We say mac and cheese

I\'ve never said that in my life.

Well, people talk funny in remote uncivilized islands.


Always \'spaghetti cheese\' or \'macaroni
cheese\'
A staple food post war with rationing, when dairy and eggs and pasta
made of low grade wheat were UK produced products that you could
actually buy. Cheaply.

We never had food rationing.

During WWII we did. Our rationing ended long before the UK\'s.

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/rationing

Why do you suppose Victory Gardens came about?

This was a pretty good book:

https://www.amazon.com/Taste-War-World-Battle-Food/dp/0143123017

One of these days I\'ll re-read it. At the moment I\'m reading a
fantasy series about German vampire spies in WWII England.

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-05-27, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

Annie\'s is better than starvation. Kraft is not.

I\'ll have to take your word for that. I don\'t even care much for
mac and cheese made from scratch. Too soft. Too gooey. Too
heavy.

Annie\'s also makes a decent basalmic salad dressing, for when you
don\'t feel like making it yourself. I add maple syrup and garlic
powder.

I never don\'t feel like making it myself. The lowest I\'ll stoop
is making ranch from yogurt, mayo, and Hidden Valley mix. Other
than that, there\'s no commercial salad dressing in my house.

I prefer making ranch from scratch, but that\'s actual work. Also,
it depends on having buttermilk in the house; buttermilk is not
a stock item, since I\'m from the North. I buy some when I feel
like making ranch or creamy garlic.

The only dressing to which I add sugar (just a pinch) is sherry
vinaigrette. For some reason, sherry vinegar is more powerful
than other vinegars.

I have a rotation of half a dozen or so vinegars (plus lemons and
limes) and a couple of oils that combine to form a pleasing variety
of salad dressings. I have a salad for dinner (usually with some
lean protein on top) nearly every night.

> Annie\'s is, in my opinion, the best ketchup too.

My husband allows only Heinz in the house. Since I don\'t use
ketchup (except as a base for barbecue sauce), I buy what he likes.

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 16:29:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 16:22, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 16:09:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 14:33, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-05-27, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:33:22 +0100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
Safeway is for bulk shopping, milk and paper towels. Their rotesserie
chickens are OK and make great broth.

For you, perhaps.  Millions of people use it for all their groceries.

We like farmers\' markets for good stuff. And the Farm Box weekly
delivery.

Safeway tends to have good stuff for a while and then replace it with
a house brand. Try to find World\'s Best Mac and Cheese, which Safeway
used to have.

Unlikely.  I don\'t like mac and cheese.  Never have.

I never twigged what that was.  Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

The kit comes with powdered \"cheese\". Actually a mixture of dried,
powdered cheese with other ultra-processed ingredients to make a
smooth sauce.

How typically \'American\'

Not typically, it\'s just that we have a lot of options. Kids like this
sort of thing.

No, I mean having it in \'kit\' form.
I can buy ready to microwave macaroni cheese which isn\'t bad, but a kit?

That works for a harassed parent on a budget. Some people just aren\'t
good cooks. Nobody forces anyone to buy food in a box. Thinks like
that are sold because people buy them. Feel free to not buy them.

We can get mac and cheese at a good restaurant for $30 too.

Jesus H. I can cook the best there is for about $10 for a family of four.

Then do it.


\"Tasting menus\" are common here. Sushi, pasta, high tea. The price is
usually around $150, but can be $600, matched wines $300 more.

That sort of thing happens when you have too many billionaires.

Restaurant food in San Francisco is about half the price of Los
Angeles or New York and, in my opinion, much better. We have farmers\'
markets with wonderful, just-picked, affordable produce. Ours has food
trucks and an oyster guy too.

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2023-05-27 11:12, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 27 May 2023 13:31:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-27, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 16:31:48 +0100, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 4/23/2023 10:22 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Not me. I don\'t like heavy, acidic flavors. I am biased towards sweet,
creamy, smooth. Mo is Italian and makes heavy red sauces that she
simmers down for hours. My fix is to dilute them about 3:1 with heavy
cream and add cheeses and garlic and tweak the spices, a light orange
color when it\'s edible.

My wife used to make a good sauce but it never seemed overly acidic.

Do our mouths have litmus paper?

No, because we\'d need eyes in our mouths to see the colour change.

We can detect acids, though. I\'m not sure whether we can distinguish
them from alkalis, though. I\'ll have to try licking some caustic soda.

Acids are sour. Bases are bitter.

The thing that separates sentient human civilization from primitive
forms of life is the presence of tater tots.

You said it. Nothing higher than a slime mold will eat them.

(They taste just like Pringles, but don\'t get me started--bet I can\'t
diss just one.)


Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

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